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Holiday DWI arrests lowest in 3 years
By Lucretia Cardenas
Only 13 people were booked into jail for allegedly driving drunk on New Year’s Eve and in the early hours of 2009.
It appears the arrests are decreasing annually, as 17 people were arrested last year and 43 people were arrested during the 2006 celebration.
Few of the incidents Wednesday evening and Thursday morning involved wrecks and no fatalities or severe injuries were reported by local law enforcement. One incident resulted in a charge of intoxication assault, but the Texas Department of Public Safety did not have additional details on the arrest.
The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office holiday crackdown on drunk drivers began on Dec. 19 and continues through Saturday evening. Between Dec. 30 and New Year’s Day morning, 23 people have been arrested on driving while intoxicated charges, which MSCO Sgt. Brice Herring believes is the lowest number of DWI arrests for the holiday season in the past three years.
“You hope people are getting the message,” Herring said. “You really do.”
The amount of traffic on the roadways for the New Year celebrations was noticeably less compared to previous years, Herring said. He believes more people remained at home this year in part because of the economic situation and because of the knowledge of law enforcement’s increased patrols.
“Just about every agency was involved. … Everyone did a fantastic job last night,” Herring said. “Even the sheriff, Sheriff Tommy Gage, was out making traffic stops with Capt. (Ken) Ariola.”
In addition to having more officers and deputies on the streets, prosecutors and judges manned the jail to speed the intake process and sign warrants for blood withdrawal, respectively.
Several new officials participated in the process as well, just several hours prior to the county’s official swearing-in ceremony Thursday morning. Being sworn in just after midnight, 435th state District Judge Mike Seiler, County Court-at-Law 5 Judge Keith Stewart and District Attorney Brett Ligon all spent their first official hours in their new positions working at the jail.
“Mike Seiler was sworn in and then he swore me in so that I could begin appointing prosecutors to work,” Ligon said. “You could feel the energy. Keith Stewart and Mike Seiler were just as excited as I was to get started.”
Ligon expressed that the coordinated effort between the DA’s office, judges and law enforcement worked great and he wants to see it happen more often during the year. He also want to increase public awareness and education.
Herring agrees.
“It’s not just about DWI enforcement, it’s educating the public as well,” Herring said.
Herring is hopeful that Montgomery County might see changes in its DWI statistics in 2009, but he quickly adds that a lot of work still needs to be done to improve the drinking and driving trends.
By the Numbers
Number of driving while intoxicated arrests on New Year’s Eve:
2008-09: 13
2007-08: 17
2006-07: 43
It appears the arrests are decreasing annually, as 17 people were arrested last year and 43 people were arrested during the 2006 celebration.
Few of the incidents Wednesday evening and Thursday morning involved wrecks and no fatalities or severe injuries were reported by local law enforcement. One incident resulted in a charge of intoxication assault, but the Texas Department of Public Safety did not have additional details on the arrest.
The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office holiday crackdown on drunk drivers began on Dec. 19 and continues through Saturday evening. Between Dec. 30 and New Year’s Day morning, 23 people have been arrested on driving while intoxicated charges, which MSCO Sgt. Brice Herring believes is the lowest number of DWI arrests for the holiday season in the past three years.
“You hope people are getting the message,” Herring said. “You really do.”
The amount of traffic on the roadways for the New Year celebrations was noticeably less compared to previous years, Herring said. He believes more people remained at home this year in part because of the economic situation and because of the knowledge of law enforcement’s increased patrols.
“Just about every agency was involved. … Everyone did a fantastic job last night,” Herring said. “Even the sheriff, Sheriff Tommy Gage, was out making traffic stops with Capt. (Ken) Ariola.”
In addition to having more officers and deputies on the streets, prosecutors and judges manned the jail to speed the intake process and sign warrants for blood withdrawal, respectively.
Several new officials participated in the process as well, just several hours prior to the county’s official swearing-in ceremony Thursday morning. Being sworn in just after midnight, 435th state District Judge Mike Seiler, County Court-at-Law 5 Judge Keith Stewart and District Attorney Brett Ligon all spent their first official hours in their new positions working at the jail.
“Mike Seiler was sworn in and then he swore me in so that I could begin appointing prosecutors to work,” Ligon said. “You could feel the energy. Keith Stewart and Mike Seiler were just as excited as I was to get started.”
Ligon expressed that the coordinated effort between the DA’s office, judges and law enforcement worked great and he wants to see it happen more often during the year. He also want to increase public awareness and education.
Herring agrees.
“It’s not just about DWI enforcement, it’s educating the public as well,” Herring said.
Herring is hopeful that Montgomery County might see changes in its DWI statistics in 2009, but he quickly adds that a lot of work still needs to be done to improve the drinking and driving trends.
By the Numbers
Number of driving while intoxicated arrests on New Year’s Eve:
2008-09: 13
2007-08: 17
2006-07: 43
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BigTexN wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:56 AM:
" We would have saved more money if they would have used Drunk Driving cameras and just mailed the arrest warrants... "
jef wrote on Jan 2, 2009 9:16 AM:
" rino, one of the problems with law enforcement in this country is that, if one would read the comments in forums such as this one, one would be led to believe that trained, experienced officers are THE ONLY PEOPLE in this country with no clue how to do their jobs. Yep, law enforcement has by far the most experts of any profession.
Please tell us, rino, how many people have been swayed from drunk driving by the presence of officers working the roads. Please tell us how many have been swayed by the knowledge that DWI patrols will be beefed up. Time and time again bean counters have tried to quantify law enforcement productivity by counting arrests versus man-hours or miles driven, when a large part of the deterrent is the presence, or perceived presence, of enough law enforcement resources to make criminal activity too risky. Neither you, nor any of the other self-proclaimed law enforcement "experts" I see posting here frequently, can offer any real, articulable data. Tell us how much ONE bad DWI wreck, with multiple fatalities, costs the taxpayers. Factor in the officers tied up with traffic control, investigation, followup, and prosecution. Factor in the damage to power poles, landscaping, roadways, etc. which frequently occurs with such events. Factor in the prosecutors' time and resources, the cost of court-appointed legal representation for the defendant(s), and incarceration costs. While you're at it, figure in the impact on vehicle insurance that we all get to share. And, although you probably haven't considered this aspect, go ahead and place a cost on the grief and pain, and the medical & funeral costs (might as well toss in the cost of the autopsies, too).
So, rino, in your expert opinion, did the officers involved in the DWI program gouge you and your wallet? I'd say that the decrease in arrests signifies a job well done, and in law enforcement, that doesn't mean that you drop the program. Once you do, the DWIs begin increasing again. Neither you nor I can say for sure if the lowered statistics for this year are an anomaly, or whether they were attributable to other unseen incidental factors in conjunction with the law enforcement presence.
You bean counters are a large part of the problem with the public's perceptions of how law enforcement works in the real world. Perhaps some of you should get involved -- really involved, not just a token effort -- in law enforcement issues around the county. I believe you'd get a real eye-opening education. "
Please tell us, rino, how many people have been swayed from drunk driving by the presence of officers working the roads. Please tell us how many have been swayed by the knowledge that DWI patrols will be beefed up. Time and time again bean counters have tried to quantify law enforcement productivity by counting arrests versus man-hours or miles driven, when a large part of the deterrent is the presence, or perceived presence, of enough law enforcement resources to make criminal activity too risky. Neither you, nor any of the other self-proclaimed law enforcement "experts" I see posting here frequently, can offer any real, articulable data. Tell us how much ONE bad DWI wreck, with multiple fatalities, costs the taxpayers. Factor in the officers tied up with traffic control, investigation, followup, and prosecution. Factor in the damage to power poles, landscaping, roadways, etc. which frequently occurs with such events. Factor in the prosecutors' time and resources, the cost of court-appointed legal representation for the defendant(s), and incarceration costs. While you're at it, figure in the impact on vehicle insurance that we all get to share. And, although you probably haven't considered this aspect, go ahead and place a cost on the grief and pain, and the medical & funeral costs (might as well toss in the cost of the autopsies, too).
So, rino, in your expert opinion, did the officers involved in the DWI program gouge you and your wallet? I'd say that the decrease in arrests signifies a job well done, and in law enforcement, that doesn't mean that you drop the program. Once you do, the DWIs begin increasing again. Neither you nor I can say for sure if the lowered statistics for this year are an anomaly, or whether they were attributable to other unseen incidental factors in conjunction with the law enforcement presence.
You bean counters are a large part of the problem with the public's perceptions of how law enforcement works in the real world. Perhaps some of you should get involved -- really involved, not just a token effort -- in law enforcement issues around the county. I believe you'd get a real eye-opening education. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 9:31 AM:
" Thank you Jeff for your response as it was totally expected! Your emotional dribble still leaves out the point . . . Their only so much money that citizens can continue to give our "we are taking care of you and mommy state government!" Emotions do not generate money! How about this for solution? Cut back on other things if you want your DWI sting? Oh my, Jeff will say if we cut back the public will not be safe! At least the public will not be in the poorhouse. By the way Jeffery give the public some credit will you? Does government tell you when to go to the bathroom?
The key comment in the article, that shows how arrogant law enforcement has become in Montgomery County is was Sheriff Gage came off his throne and did his job! Oh thank you Sheriff for doing your job! Did we pay him overtime? Might as well as it appears it is raining money in Montgomery County! "
The key comment in the article, that shows how arrogant law enforcement has become in Montgomery County is was Sheriff Gage came off his throne and did his job! Oh thank you Sheriff for doing your job! Did we pay him overtime? Might as well as it appears it is raining money in Montgomery County! "
Conroenative wrote on Jan 2, 2009 9:52 AM:
" To rino, just how much is a life worth?? Even if one person's life is spared it is well worth it. Wouldn't you be upset if one of your loved ones was killed by a drunk driver and no patrols were beefed up? I know I would. I have an ex-son-in-law who has no concern for human lives when he drives drunk, and no other drunk driver has concern for human lives either. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:06 AM:
" Do not hide under the cloak of what and and if something happened to a loved one! THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH MONEY, SO IF YOU WANT THIS PROGRAM CUT SPENDING ELSEWHERE. GOVERNMENT THINKS IT IS IN A WIN WIN HERE! Why? If the arrests were up 100% they would say we need more police on the road as the situation is so bad, but when the arrests are down they take all the credit and say money should not be involved if one life is saved and the program is wonderful . I say if you want the program cut spending elsewhere. And as a taxpayer I want to know the total cost of the program and equate it to cost per arrest! If the cost per arrest is $50,000.00 Isn't this mandated of public companies? Why is Montgomery County exempt?
By the way I would also like to know how much county spending has increased vs. population growth and inflation in Montgomery County since our current county leader has been in office. Can anyone answer that because he won't? But I guess that spending is OK because no one wants to go through the emotional stress of working in a county office office that is not a palace. You cannot put a cost of the emotional stress the county employee would suffer can we? "
By the way I would also like to know how much county spending has increased vs. population growth and inflation in Montgomery County since our current county leader has been in office. Can anyone answer that because he won't? But I guess that spending is OK because no one wants to go through the emotional stress of working in a county office office that is not a palace. You cannot put a cost of the emotional stress the county employee would suffer can we? "
pprwrtr wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:20 AM:
" I like jef's and conroenative's comments. When we are in really bad trouble we can't get out of, who do we call--law enforcement--and they HAVE to come and risk their lives many times to get us out of a jam! It is unfortunate that some people have had a bad experience with them. Most of them are just like the rest of us--except more dedicated and brave. (yes, there are some bad ones who think they are above courtesy and decency because they have on a uniform, but those are few and far between) If you stereotype a whole segment by just a few, it is unfair and unrealistic. Statistics can lie, but if people know they are out in force on "drunk nights" like New Year's Eve, etc, they are less likely to drive drunk. The cost in human lives alone is worth the money we spend. And there are the other costs that jef mentioned. This is one thing we should keep spending on. A whole lot of other things should be cut, though. People get pessimistic because there is so much government waste (and dishonesty). "
tgltexas wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:20 AM:
" Rino, I'm always amazed at the free time you apparently have! Able to comment (with an air of authority, no less!) on nearly every article the Courier publishes online. Amazing! :)
That said, the job of a sheriff of a county the size of this one is more akin to a CEO of a mid-sized corporation. That means he is responsible for personnel issues, budget issues, etc. Just like the commanding officer of a naval vessel, the sheriff's job is to "man the ship" not "swab the decks."
The fact that he was out in a patrol car making traffic stops says enough about his dedication and commitment to the seriousness of the task at hand. Whether you personally like Tommy Gage or not isn't the issue. Furthermore, if you had any sense (and that usually appears doubtful in my view) then you would realize that the top executive official at the sheriff's department is classified as an EXEMPT employee when it comes to overtime and comp time accrual.
In other words - to explain it on a slightly lower level - he gets paid the same money whether he was out there in a patrol car risking life & limb for thankless citizens such as yourself, or if he was sitting at home with Mrs. Gage ringing in the New Year.
Next! "
That said, the job of a sheriff of a county the size of this one is more akin to a CEO of a mid-sized corporation. That means he is responsible for personnel issues, budget issues, etc. Just like the commanding officer of a naval vessel, the sheriff's job is to "man the ship" not "swab the decks."
The fact that he was out in a patrol car making traffic stops says enough about his dedication and commitment to the seriousness of the task at hand. Whether you personally like Tommy Gage or not isn't the issue. Furthermore, if you had any sense (and that usually appears doubtful in my view) then you would realize that the top executive official at the sheriff's department is classified as an EXEMPT employee when it comes to overtime and comp time accrual.
In other words - to explain it on a slightly lower level - he gets paid the same money whether he was out there in a patrol car risking life & limb for thankless citizens such as yourself, or if he was sitting at home with Mrs. Gage ringing in the New Year.
Next! "
tgltexas wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:27 AM:
" Rino, there's one more small point I'd like to make regarding your concern for the cost of the holiday DWI enforcement program.
I don't work for the sheriff's department, but as a human being with a brain in my head it doesn't take much to figure out that the majority of these "costs" you are so worried about are FIXED costs - patrol cars, officers' salaries, fuel that has been budgeted for an entire year, etc.
I'm starting to think the "Rino" part of your username is really more reflective of YOU than it is of the county official you seem to dislike so much. Hey, I have an idea, why don't YOU run for office! :) "
I don't work for the sheriff's department, but as a human being with a brain in my head it doesn't take much to figure out that the majority of these "costs" you are so worried about are FIXED costs - patrol cars, officers' salaries, fuel that has been budgeted for an entire year, etc.
I'm starting to think the "Rino" part of your username is really more reflective of YOU than it is of the county official you seem to dislike so much. Hey, I have an idea, why don't YOU run for office! :) "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 AM:
" ppwriter if Gage is the CEO of the Sheriff department and does not get his hands dirty with the mundane jobs of his deputies why does he pack a pistol? Does he pack his pistol when watching TV with Mrs. Gage? Does he need it at his board of director meetings, at his staff meetings, at his charity events?
You big spending, govenment employed people are like playing cards with my sisters kids. You all go to the same, worn out argument, 'it is for the good of the people so shut up and pay". When a citizen asks for a financial accounting, the response is shut up and pay do not ask questions we can spend your money better than you can. Tired and old playbook folks!
By the way it only take a second or two to shoot pro tax and spending liberal arguments down.
Next! "
You big spending, govenment employed people are like playing cards with my sisters kids. You all go to the same, worn out argument, 'it is for the good of the people so shut up and pay". When a citizen asks for a financial accounting, the response is shut up and pay do not ask questions we can spend your money better than you can. Tired and old playbook folks!
By the way it only take a second or two to shoot pro tax and spending liberal arguments down.
Next! "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:42 AM:
" tgl Texas sorry but you have not done your research. The Courier reported that Montgomery County was getting more money to cover overtime for the DWI operation. So Chairman of the Board Gage did not build it into his annual plan. Wonder if he was packing his pistol when he was doing his financial plan in the board room of the Barb Sadler executive building. Did his limo use the county only parking facility by the Barb Sadler Executive Building. "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:44 AM:
" You spend way more than "a second or two" spewing your political views.
What job are you getting paid to do but neglecting while you are spewing your garbage about financial waste? "
What job are you getting paid to do but neglecting while you are spewing your garbage about financial waste? "
tgltexas wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:47 AM:
" Rino, I assume your comment was for me and not pprwrtr.
For the record, I do NOT work for the county, nor do I work for ANY government agency/entity. It's true that I did in fact work for the county at one time, but apparently they weren't taxing you enough and spending enough money of your hard-earned money on salaries and benefits.
Since you obviously think the county spends money like it's growing on trees, please explain why I was classified as "POOR" under Conroe ISD's discounted school lunch program when I was employed as a peace officer in Montgomery County? In fact, as embarrassing at it is to admit this, my kids didn't just get discounted lunches, they got FREE lunches because my salary was so low.
Your CEO/gun carrying comments are so ridiculous they don't even warrant further discussion. "
For the record, I do NOT work for the county, nor do I work for ANY government agency/entity. It's true that I did in fact work for the county at one time, but apparently they weren't taxing you enough and spending enough money of your hard-earned money on salaries and benefits.
Since you obviously think the county spends money like it's growing on trees, please explain why I was classified as "POOR" under Conroe ISD's discounted school lunch program when I was employed as a peace officer in Montgomery County? In fact, as embarrassing at it is to admit this, my kids didn't just get discounted lunches, they got FREE lunches because my salary was so low.
Your CEO/gun carrying comments are so ridiculous they don't even warrant further discussion. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:52 AM:
" game set match mcresident! Keep reading and I will break you of the shackles of big liberal government!
Everyone please please please stop your venting at me and just answer the question.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROGRAM AND EQUATE THAT TO COST PER ARREST!
I am requsting simple information from CEO Gage. Maybe he has to go to his public relations department in the Barb Sadler Executive building to put a good spin on this. CEO don't forget your pistol if you go from office to office . . .you might have to arrest a VP walking too fast down the hall or taking too long of a lunch break. "
Everyone please please please stop your venting at me and just answer the question.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROGRAM AND EQUATE THAT TO COST PER ARREST!
I am requsting simple information from CEO Gage. Maybe he has to go to his public relations department in the Barb Sadler Executive building to put a good spin on this. CEO don't forget your pistol if you go from office to office . . .you might have to arrest a VP walking too fast down the hall or taking too long of a lunch break. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 10:55 AM:
" Tgl Texas! Good for you! You did what every intelligent person can do! You got a job that paid you better. If anyone in the employment of government is unhappy with pay and benefits follow the example of tgl texas and make a change! Congratulations TGL Texas I am so proud of you. See the free enterprise system works!
Next "
Next "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:01 AM:
" Tired, the total cost of the program = 1 (yes, even just 1) saved life = PRICELESS.
And the fact that most of us can accept that, and are willing to pay for it is not "emotional dribble" - it's called humanity.
Have you ever heard of - America, Love it or leave it - maybe you should consider the latter.
What is "game set match?" You, who is so against financial waste, do tell.... is the money you are earning to pay taxes being made while you are commenting on the Courier website or not? "
And the fact that most of us can accept that, and are willing to pay for it is not "emotional dribble" - it's called humanity.
Have you ever heard of - America, Love it or leave it - maybe you should consider the latter.
What is "game set match?" You, who is so against financial waste, do tell.... is the money you are earning to pay taxes being made while you are commenting on the Courier website or not? "
perse wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:21 AM:
" uh, folks ... torls doesn't care about any of this. Has said so over and over ... and over and over ... and over and ... well, you know.
As long as it isn't his life in immediate danger, nothing is worth the cost. Not road improvements, not street or traffic lights, not garbage pickup, not fire protection nor even law enforcement. It's all just wasteful spending in his strange little world. "
As long as it isn't his life in immediate danger, nothing is worth the cost. Not road improvements, not street or traffic lights, not garbage pickup, not fire protection nor even law enforcement. It's all just wasteful spending in his strange little world. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:21 AM:
" mcresident your last post is not worth comment more emotional dribble.
Give me the total cost and equate to cost per arrest.
Facts + Facts = FACTS and sound decisions can be made from facts.
Emotional dribble + emotional dribble = out of control spending and bad decisions. "
Give me the total cost and equate to cost per arrest.
Facts + Facts = FACTS and sound decisions can be made from facts.
Emotional dribble + emotional dribble = out of control spending and bad decisions. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:26 AM:
" perse is the palaces that the county is building in downtown Conroe worth it?
Is spending that far exceeds inflation and population growth worth it?
Take a trip to downtown Conroe and you will see government waste first hand!
Are you saying that Montgomery County does not have to answer to the folks that tote the note?
You have drank the Koke / Kool Aid.
If you ran your budget like the county and city run their budget you would be bankrupt. The differnce is the County just takes what it needs from you whenever they need more. Shut up and pay pay pay. "
Is spending that far exceeds inflation and population growth worth it?
Take a trip to downtown Conroe and you will see government waste first hand!
Are you saying that Montgomery County does not have to answer to the folks that tote the note?
You have drank the Koke / Kool Aid.
If you ran your budget like the county and city run their budget you would be bankrupt. The differnce is the County just takes what it needs from you whenever they need more. Shut up and pay pay pay. "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:31 AM:
" Tired, I agree, fact + fact = fact. Fact is you are a moocher to your employer, wasting time during business hours commenting on financial waste - your hypocrisy has been exposed - your non-answer is answer enough. I'm out....you are also a waste of time. "
tired of rinos like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:42 AM:
" mcresident by the way I do not plan to leave America but change it to what the founding fathers wanted and it is not the socialism and big government of Montgomery County! The Founding Fathers would spin in their graves if they saw what your type have done to their country. Over half our annual income goes to taxes currently! Does that sound OK with you mcresident? In other words you work until 1:PM each day before you get to keep your money! I expect your response to be that it is OK because government provide such great services and returns on our money. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:49 AM:
" mcresident so sorry but wrong you are again as usual. I am off today. In the private sector we get holidays even though not as many as government. Please please please do not take that from me also! I would have nothing left but that great big Montgomery County Government you love so much! You are one factless riot! "
nimda wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:55 AM:
" Rino, it is obvious you are opposed to government spending, or at least excessive spending.
Why not use your time productively and make open records request to Montgomery County, City of Conroe and on your request list all the items you keep posting about, they will have ten days to respond to you…
Then come back and post your findings and be informative instead of argumentative…. "
Why not use your time productively and make open records request to Montgomery County, City of Conroe and on your request list all the items you keep posting about, they will have ten days to respond to you…
Then come back and post your findings and be informative instead of argumentative…. "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 12:05 PM:
" tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:49 AM:
" mcresident so sorry but wrong you are again as usual. I am off today. In the private sector we get holidays even though not as many as government.
and
In other words you work until 1:PM each day before you get to keep your money!
Well, time to waste more of my OWN time :-)
Tired, so you comment on this website (on the days you are at work) until 1:PM before you put forth the effort to EARN the rest? And since you are off today.... but don't get as many days as the government...does that mean you'll give it a rest next week when you return to "work" or just spew your views until 1:PM each day? "
" mcresident so sorry but wrong you are again as usual. I am off today. In the private sector we get holidays even though not as many as government.
and
In other words you work until 1:PM each day before you get to keep your money!
Well, time to waste more of my OWN time :-)
Tired, so you comment on this website (on the days you are at work) until 1:PM before you put forth the effort to EARN the rest? And since you are off today.... but don't get as many days as the government...does that mean you'll give it a rest next week when you return to "work" or just spew your views until 1:PM each day? "
BigTexN wrote on Jan 2, 2009 12:09 PM:
" I don't have any problems with the government spending MORE money on the black helicopters flying around Tired's house... "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 12:15 PM:
" BTN, do you think it's Sheriff Gage and Yukon Sadler keepin' an eye on him because they are worried :-) "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 12:49 PM:
" mcresident well done, well done! As predicted you ignore the responses to your factless tirades! You appear to be a good candidate for a sedative to calm your nerves down. You have not responded factually to one of my factual comments. Not one!
How about this once and for all: Tell me how much was spend on the program and the cost per arrest? I want to know and it is my right to know. I do not want to know about your emotional dribble I want dollar and cents!
Big Tex N our failed stand up comedian you can do better! Try again Big Tex N and you might get a smile from intelligent people.
I do not think Sadler worries about not being re-elected, he more worried about how to get more money to fund his big government and keep his contactors happy! Correct Yukon? "
How about this once and for all: Tell me how much was spend on the program and the cost per arrest? I want to know and it is my right to know. I do not want to know about your emotional dribble I want dollar and cents!
Big Tex N our failed stand up comedian you can do better! Try again Big Tex N and you might get a smile from intelligent people.
I do not think Sadler worries about not being re-elected, he more worried about how to get more money to fund his big government and keep his contactors happy! Correct Yukon? "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:03 PM:
" Tired, I, for one, just don't happen to think that because you say it's fact that it is, indeed, a factual comment. You spew so much "dribble" that what you say gets lost in the saliva flow. Nimda had a point in asking why you don't avail yourself to open records. Instead, you spend countless hours just regurgitating "facts as you see them" on this site. You may have, at one time, had some valid points, but they are lost in your presentation. You spend way too much time being a "blow hard" and way too little time seeking the answers you desire from the proper sources. I mock you because you are deserving to be mocked. Get off your high horse, get the information you seek thru what is public information, open records, and then, THEN, maybe someone (maybe even I) will take you seriously. The way you are going, you actually do more damage to your cause. "
Whiskyecho wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:17 PM:
" I've gotta get in here, with:
(subject included in someone's rant here) I'm against ISDs supplying "free" or "reduced cost" lunches to kids (include breakfasts and suppers in there too)
and, (tongue-in-cheek), less DUI arrests 'cause less people can afford to "go have a drink" "
(subject included in someone's rant here) I'm against ISDs supplying "free" or "reduced cost" lunches to kids (include breakfasts and suppers in there too)
and, (tongue-in-cheek), less DUI arrests 'cause less people can afford to "go have a drink" "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:21 PM:
" WE!! I could use a cool one after all this bantering.....can you be the DD? "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:52 PM:
" Once again mcresident not answers just more jibber jabber! The Courier should do it's job and ask for that information. That is why I pay for subscription. Also, mcresident it is not my intent to educate the Kool Aid drinkers, as your types are too far gone to rehab. Just pay your taxes and shut up. But not me I will keep up the cause here and else where! "
BigTexN wrote on Jan 2, 2009 2:13 PM:
" tired of rino's like sadler wrote: "Try again Big Tex N and you might get a smile from intelligent people."
...and the funniest part is that the intelligent people DID smile! "
...and the funniest part is that the intelligent people DID smile! "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 2:15 PM:
" I can't resist...
Tired, I'll bet you used to drive up to the Jack-In-The-Box clown and demand to know the recipe for the secret sauce. After all didn't you pay for your hamburger????
If you want answers, go to the right sources. NEWSFLASH: Newspapers print what sells, they are for-profit organizations, they don't care about "facts" (and everyone who reads your comment knows you don't either.) They get their papers to print as quickly as possible, if later they find out something was reported wrong, they print a small disclaimer on page 103 the next day or week - so if you are gonna keep looking to them for your answers - you are going to continue to kill your own message and discount your cause. "
Tired, I'll bet you used to drive up to the Jack-In-The-Box clown and demand to know the recipe for the secret sauce. After all didn't you pay for your hamburger????
If you want answers, go to the right sources. NEWSFLASH: Newspapers print what sells, they are for-profit organizations, they don't care about "facts" (and everyone who reads your comment knows you don't either.) They get their papers to print as quickly as possible, if later they find out something was reported wrong, they print a small disclaimer on page 103 the next day or week - so if you are gonna keep looking to them for your answers - you are going to continue to kill your own message and discount your cause. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 2:36 PM:
" Yes Big Tex N mcresident and you did smile.
I bet you and mc were the only one's that smiled at the secret sauce joke also!
Both are you are like two drops of water and don't have two brain cells to rub together.
If ya'll weren't so sad ya'll could be funny!
mcresident I am done with you until I deem that you have made a post worthy of an intelligent response.
Big Tex N when you provide a joke to the level of the red light camera for DWI I will commend you but the New Year has not been good to your stand up talent! "
I bet you and mc were the only one's that smiled at the secret sauce joke also!
Both are you are like two drops of water and don't have two brain cells to rub together.
If ya'll weren't so sad ya'll could be funny!
mcresident I am done with you until I deem that you have made a post worthy of an intelligent response.
Big Tex N when you provide a joke to the level of the red light camera for DWI I will commend you but the New Year has not been good to your stand up talent! "
mcresident wrote on Jan 2, 2009 2:46 PM:
" Tired said:
Both are you are like two drops of water and don't have two brain cells to rub together
BTN, I'm thinking that's some kind of crazy, mixed metaphor? What do you think?
Tired, you just take your ball & bat and go home - I don't want to play with you anymore either :-)
(And if it's all the same to you, I'd prefer you didn't "deem" me or my comments any way or any how!) "
Both are you are like two drops of water and don't have two brain cells to rub together
BTN, I'm thinking that's some kind of crazy, mixed metaphor? What do you think?
Tired, you just take your ball & bat and go home - I don't want to play with you anymore either :-)
(And if it's all the same to you, I'd prefer you didn't "deem" me or my comments any way or any how!) "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 3:46 PM:
" Bigtexn I guess you would "LMAO" as that joke has to be better than the "gut busters" you have been posting. I am sure you have a lot A to laugh off also! Hope you new Woodland's red light cameras and new Woodlands fees bring you the things you deserve along with that unwarranted snobbish attitude you Woodhell folks exhibit! "
CherokeeToo wrote on Jan 2, 2009 5:31 PM:
" If we open a StandUpComic Club - would you perform BigTexN??!!! You probably have the best laid back attitude on any forum. Your humor IS funny - TRLS is just tired from the fireworks keeping him up and mcresident - I'd look for another DD - someone with a little more tread. "
vodkacharlie wrote on Jan 2, 2009 6:00 PM:
" Damn rino, your post started at 8:25am today and continued all day. Did you really have nothing better to do today? It was a nice day, you should have gone out and enjoyed it.
I can't imagine the program added to much to the cost. They are salaried workers and elected officials. I'm sure they did some creative scheduling to ofset some of the extra hours. It makes sense to have extra people on the clock when needed. I belive New Years Eve would be a busy day for law enforcement. Great job MCSO.
I don't think rino has stopped drinking yet. Him way of thinking is not very clear. He's rambling like a drunk.
0 deaths = priceless "
I can't imagine the program added to much to the cost. They are salaried workers and elected officials. I'm sure they did some creative scheduling to ofset some of the extra hours. It makes sense to have extra people on the clock when needed. I belive New Years Eve would be a busy day for law enforcement. Great job MCSO.
I don't think rino has stopped drinking yet. Him way of thinking is not very clear. He's rambling like a drunk.
0 deaths = priceless "
jef wrote on Jan 2, 2009 6:40 PM:
" Jeeze, rino!!! Right off the bat I asked you to place some values on some of the factors you criticize for being too expensive. You have yet to respond. Yet I see that since my post you have demanded over and over that the other readers here provide you with government accounting they OBVIOUSLY don't have access to. Are you going to answer my questions? Or are you just going to persist with your inane ranting? And what's up with your "victory"??? I haven't seen an intelligent statement from you yet throughout this entire thread; are you delusional?
Might I suggest some therapy? And perhaps some grammatical tutoring also?
If you want to change things for the better in this county, you will have to arm yourself with facts (you have none). You will need to learn objectivity (a word which is apparently not in your vocabulary). You will need to learn to separate reality from your agenda's rhetoric (I know, a tall order for a member of the lunatic fringe). And last, but certainly not least, you will need to earn some credibility. I have been reading your posts for some time, and gauging responses to them, and I can tell you that you are ranked very low by most of the people here for credibility. You probably have some valuable input to offer from time to time, but as long as you rant and babble the way you have been doing, very few people, and none of any consequence, will take you seriously.
Oh, by the way, I don't know why you're so focused on the Sheriff's pistol, but you're apparently ignorant (again) of a few facts: First, virtually all law enforcement agencies REQUIRE officers to be armed while on duty. And as Sheriff, whether or not he is actually required to be armed, he is entitled - and expected - to be armed. And just so you know, all of those deputies (and the Sheriff) purchased their own firearms, so you can't cry about the Sheriff wasting your tax dollars by carrying a weapon that the taxpayers purchased.
Please rino, grow up and make the changes that will improve our county; contribute to society rather than being part of the problem as you have been. "
Might I suggest some therapy? And perhaps some grammatical tutoring also?
If you want to change things for the better in this county, you will have to arm yourself with facts (you have none). You will need to learn objectivity (a word which is apparently not in your vocabulary). You will need to learn to separate reality from your agenda's rhetoric (I know, a tall order for a member of the lunatic fringe). And last, but certainly not least, you will need to earn some credibility. I have been reading your posts for some time, and gauging responses to them, and I can tell you that you are ranked very low by most of the people here for credibility. You probably have some valuable input to offer from time to time, but as long as you rant and babble the way you have been doing, very few people, and none of any consequence, will take you seriously.
Oh, by the way, I don't know why you're so focused on the Sheriff's pistol, but you're apparently ignorant (again) of a few facts: First, virtually all law enforcement agencies REQUIRE officers to be armed while on duty. And as Sheriff, whether or not he is actually required to be armed, he is entitled - and expected - to be armed. And just so you know, all of those deputies (and the Sheriff) purchased their own firearms, so you can't cry about the Sheriff wasting your tax dollars by carrying a weapon that the taxpayers purchased.
Please rino, grow up and make the changes that will improve our county; contribute to society rather than being part of the problem as you have been. "
tgltexas wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:09 PM:
" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It doesn't get much better than jef's post above. Well done. "
It doesn't get much better than jef's post above. Well done. "
five 0h wrote on Jan 2, 2009 11:38 PM:
" I quit reading at Tired of rino... at his third comment. the only way this dip doodle will be pleased with government is when there is none. He without saying it openly seems to be routing for anarchy. He on occasion will have a valid comment, but his tireless pointless (usually baseless) rants tarnishes any valid point he on occasion will make.
He is simply an attention wh ore. He writes inflammatory things that he wants to get under 9 out of 10 peoples skins. He has fun with this. Just ignore him. When he can't argue the valid point you've made, he resorts to you've drank the kool-aid. Again...Just ignore him. Well... unless you want to stir him up for a laugh. "
He is simply an attention wh ore. He writes inflammatory things that he wants to get under 9 out of 10 peoples skins. He has fun with this. Just ignore him. When he can't argue the valid point you've made, he resorts to you've drank the kool-aid. Again...Just ignore him. Well... unless you want to stir him up for a laugh. "
mrs. do gooder wrote on Jan 3, 2009 5:36 AM:
" I fully support our men and women working the streets of Montgomery County to make it safer for the rest of us. Too bad if others do not like it.
Just like joining the military, so many are weak and scared to join and let the rest of us fight the battle to keep democracy and freedoms for the rest of us here in America. Too many are scared and critical of the sheriff department, and do nothing to join them because of their fear of dying pulling over a drunk driver or drug arrest. My antennas are up when I hear the same folks rant and rave against the sheriff department as a whole. (There are only 2 deputies I know of that are less than honorable).
Shame, shame shame on those willing to be so cricical of an occupation that keeps the rest of us safe. I always thought those that hated the law were lawbreakers. (don't sit and wait on a reply from me to your reply. I don't play that game. Replying to lawbreakers are not worth my time.) "
Just like joining the military, so many are weak and scared to join and let the rest of us fight the battle to keep democracy and freedoms for the rest of us here in America. Too many are scared and critical of the sheriff department, and do nothing to join them because of their fear of dying pulling over a drunk driver or drug arrest. My antennas are up when I hear the same folks rant and rave against the sheriff department as a whole. (There are only 2 deputies I know of that are less than honorable).
Shame, shame shame on those willing to be so cricical of an occupation that keeps the rest of us safe. I always thought those that hated the law were lawbreakers. (don't sit and wait on a reply from me to your reply. I don't play that game. Replying to lawbreakers are not worth my time.) "
Whiskyecho wrote on Jan 3, 2009 7:17 AM:
" mrs. do gooder wrote on Jan 3, 2009 5:36 AM:
"..(There are only 2 deputies I know of that are less than honorable).."
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ya can't end with that, mzdogoodperson, you've gotta put "names" and "reasons" to those 2, less than honorable, officers "
"..(There are only 2 deputies I know of that are less than honorable).."
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ya can't end with that, mzdogoodperson, you've gotta put "names" and "reasons" to those 2, less than honorable, officers "
Whiskyecho wrote on Jan 3, 2009 9:10 AM:
" ouch, this silence is deafening and it's hurting my ears "
CherokeeToo wrote on Jan 3, 2009 9:17 AM:
" ...it is probably just that your batteries are low in your hearing aid. mrs. do gooder, the elderly have a funny way of communicating with others. The old school believes that if you don't give up some specific info that you are not telling the truth. Truth is, the elderly need to be cautious about how far they push others in the info area and just leave the dog lay sleeping. I commend you mrs. do gooder for not tossing out info - true or not - it shows a good deal of personal strength. "
Whiskyecho wrote on Jan 3, 2009 10:43 AM:
" CherokeeToo wrote on Jan 3, 2009 9:17 AM:
"..leave the dog lay sleeping.."
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you're correct, cherokee2person, sorry to have disturbed you - go back to sleep "
"..leave the dog lay sleeping.."
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you're correct, cherokee2person, sorry to have disturbed you - go back to sleep "
CherokeeToo wrote on Jan 3, 2009 1:30 PM:
" You funny little man - actually I'm having a toddy and toast your humor since you can't mix toddy with your meds - I'll have two. =D Prost! & alihelisdi sudetiyvda~ "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 3, 2009 1:36 PM:
" Anyone get the total cost and cost per arrest so the folks that tote the note can judge if their money has been spent well?
No emotions here folks just facts. "
No emotions here folks just facts. "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 3, 2009 1:58 PM:
" Dear Peace maker Jeffery,
Are you saying that I cannot question what was spent and the results on a per arrest basis?
Why does a CEO have to carry a pistol? Does it make him feel like Marshall Dillion while watching TV with Mrs. Gage? The point is that folks think we should thank him for doing his job and patrolling and enforcing the law BUT one of his lackeys said he is the CEO and above patrolling.
Lastly you do not see Yukon Sadler and his good old boyzzzzz as the problem and I know they are the problem and I am being part of the solution in letting everyone know what his type are up too! "
Are you saying that I cannot question what was spent and the results on a per arrest basis?
Why does a CEO have to carry a pistol? Does it make him feel like Marshall Dillion while watching TV with Mrs. Gage? The point is that folks think we should thank him for doing his job and patrolling and enforcing the law BUT one of his lackeys said he is the CEO and above patrolling.
Lastly you do not see Yukon Sadler and his good old boyzzzzz as the problem and I know they are the problem and I am being part of the solution in letting everyone know what his type are up too! "
tired of rino's like sadler wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:25 AM:
Also, special thanks to Sheriff Gage for doing his job! "